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Poll: Whose Vision of Economic Solution Makes Most Sense for America?

President Obama and Mitt Romney used Ohio platform to explain their approaches to fix.

The battle is joined.  With Ohio as the first front line, President Barack Obama and GOP challenger Mitt Romney on Thursday used dueling speeches to make the case for their economic plans.  The essential difference: higher taxes for the rich. Obama wants ’em; Romney opposes. What do you want in an economic plan?

Tom Yarnall June 17, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Kevin, are you trying to suck up to Doug by calling him an experienced middle of the road journalist? He's about as middle of the road as Obama, Pelosi, Reid and his friend David B Secor.
BTW, I am a conservative who supports the concepts of the Tea Party and am proud of it. I don't try to hide it.
Doug Curlee June 17, 2012 at 01:09 pm
tom.. you would likely be amazed at the number of things i disagree with the democrat party about..
probably as many as i disagree with the tea party about.. doug
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 01:32 pm
I think we'd all be amazed.
;-)
Jennifer Spencer June 17, 2012 at 02:16 pm
Komfort:
This is a trick question for you. Do you want to go backward to the failed financial policies of the past administration that put us in the economic ditch we are currently and ever so steadily pulling ourselves out of, or......move forward to the future where all Americans have an equal opportunity to pursue their financial dreams? Clue: You have to look to the past before you can understand where you should go in the future.
Jennifer Spencer June 17, 2012 at 02:32 pm
Doug,
I do wish I could agree with you on your assessment of "the majority of american voters". Sadly I see most hard working middle class folks who continually vote against themselves. They don't take the time necessary to understand the political issues that affect their lives, especially those who have to hold down more than one job, raise a family, and worry about the bills and paying the mortgage/rent, etc. The only time they have is to watch negative TV ads, Faux News, read a very biased UT, listen to conservative radio....poor resources of information. Also I see an inability to do any critical thinking, perhaps as a result of lack of education. But then, that's another subject.
Craig Maxwell June 17, 2012 at 02:33 pm
And the winning comment (and understatement of the year) is...
Drum roll, please... "There's a lot to be said for not being Obama." By "Dianne."
Robert Paulson June 17, 2012 at 02:35 pm
@Selina Forte - What you need to realize is that the arrogant, egotistical, ignorant, racist, warmongering, homophobic, hateful, bible thumping, radical right control the comment section of this blog. It's just posturing, back slapping and self aggrandizing. Let them have it. It means nothing in the big picture. If Obama is reelected in November their heads will explode and the walls will be covered with feces. If Romney is elected then they will be in the sinking ship along with the rest of us. They will not change. Their dangerous, destructive, conservative playbook is firmly entrenched behind their clenched sphincter, (uptight a$$). Let it play out. We will see in November.
Komfort June 17, 2012 at 03:15 pm
Roberts answer seems to be "poop". But I think that is his usual answer.
My trick answer is "jobless recovery."
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 03:26 pm
Watch out Komfort!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4 Watch out Selina! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0mjG9-CA3w
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 03:29 pm
Liberals are doomed if they have to depend on the majority of American voters.
Robert Paulson June 17, 2012 at 04:44 pm
It's no surprise that Komfort and Things I Learned responded to my post. The shoe obviously fit as they are wearing it. LOL!
Robert Paulson June 17, 2012 at 04:57 pm
Things I Know obviously spends a lot of time on youtube so this one's for Things I know. I'm sure he will identify with it.
http://youtu.be/DBFvwv2IrJo
Komfort June 17, 2012 at 05:11 pm
Robert inherited his cleverness from the soon to be previous administration.
Jobless recovery...
Jennifer Spencer June 17, 2012 at 05:16 pm
Hasn't Mitt been gathering the advisors of the former Bush to advise him on things economic? Isn't that going backward.....toward those failed policies of the past administration?
"Among the financial and business experts advising Romney’s campaign are Columbia University’s R. Glenn Hubbard and Harvard University’s N. Gregory Mankiw, both economists who headed the Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush. Rounding out the team are former Missouri Senator Jim Talent and onetime Minnesota Congressman Vin Weber, now Republican lobbyists at Washington-based firms." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-07/romney-economic-outsider-image-backed-by-bush-era-policy.html
Robert Paulson June 17, 2012 at 05:16 pm
Here's to you, Things I Learned
http://youtu.be/DBFvwv2IrJo
Ross Salinger June 17, 2012 at 05:30 pm
If you actually think that Keynes didnt understand expectations then you simply havent read his book. Not only that but expectations under austerity are for greater unemployment and reduced gdp. This is another piece of research you may wish to do. Reasonable premise if it hadnt been tried so many times and failed so many times
Ross Salinger June 17, 2012 at 06:31 pm
"Europe's problem is not enough government spending." is a real stundie. European government spending is much greater than US government spending on a percentage of GDP basis. http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html is just one place where you can read about it.
Rgrds-Ross
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 07:28 pm
From the link:
"...as Romney works to frame the election as a question of whether people are satisfied with the economy under President Barack Obama, Democrats are determined to define a vote for Romney as a return to Bush’s policies, and they point to the economic team as evidence of that... “They might want to read his policies,” [Hubbard] said in an interview. “It’s actually quite different. The ad hominem doesn’t seem appropriate.... Romney aides say the campaign’s policies come from the candidate.... And the candidate doesn’t always agree with his advisers. “Given what he’s done in the business world, he knows what he believes works,” said Andy Puzder, the CEO of Carpinteria, California-based CKE Restaurants Inc., who helped craft Romney’s business-regulation policy. “And sometimes he knows better than the policy team.” Romney also consults a network of associates in the business world. Former Sun Microsystems Inc. CEO Scott McNealy, Hewlett-Packard President and CEO Meg Whitman, and Puzder, whose company owns the Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s fast-food chains, all wrote sections of Romney’s jobs plan. “Sometimes business people see things happening faster than economists do,” said Hubbard. Hubbard briefs Romney every few weeks...The candidate typically arrives well-read and ready to quiz the team on their latest proposals. “Does he agree with every person all the time?” asked Hubbard. “No. But that’s a good thing.”
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 07:35 pm
Hey remember when Robert Paulson thought gutter humor was so funny he told the same joke twice in less than 20 minutes?
http://lamesa.patch.com/articles/poll-whose-vision-of-economic-solution-makes-most-sense-for-america#comment_3639314 It blew. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPL4-VKAfgA
Komfort June 17, 2012 at 08:42 pm
And Europe is doing great!
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 09:19 pm
It isn't a problem for Europe when Europe's governments spend too much money they don't have but it is a problem for Europe when Europe's governments spend less too much money they don't have because even though austerity is only necessary because Europe's governments spent too much money they didn't have the austerity happens at the same time as all the problems from Europe's governments spending too much they didn't have erupt and correlation equals causation so austerity looks like a failure so it must be a failure.
Keynes didn't expect that governments would eventually balance their budgets and Keynesians didn't adopt the ideas of Abba Lerner because they make this explicit and Keynesian models never call for tax cuts and Greg Mankiw who Jennifer Spencer doesn't like because he advised George Bush isn't a neo-Keynesian and on April 11 1946 Keynes didn't meet Henry Clay at the Bank of England and say to him about trying to fix England's post-war economic problems: "I find myself more and more relying for a solution of our problems on the invisible hand which I tried to eject from economic thinking twenty years ago."
Things I Learned June 17, 2012 at 09:43 pm
Hey remember when Robert Paulson thought gutter humor was so funny he told the same joke three times in less than 25 minutes and admitted that accurately reporting Barack Obama's actions is the same thing as defaming Barack Obama?
http://lamesa.patch.com/articles/poll-should-u-s-forces-be-sent-to-save-syrians-from-slaughter#comment_3639458 And hey remember when Robert Paulson thought he could fool the censors by replacing the letter "s" with "$" when he used his pottymouth and Doug Curlee had to tell Robert Paulson to knock it off even though TIL and Kevin and Tom constantly badger Doug because Doug Curlee is man enough to take the ribbing and professional enough to understand the schtick but Robert Paulson's clever plan didn't fool the Patch and his comment got deleted along with Doug Curlee's call for civility? One two.
Tom Yarnall June 17, 2012 at 09:46 pm
Doug,I know there are many issues we agree on, but for the life of me I cannot remember you ever criticizing a Democrat. Could you please remind me of your postings that did so?
I would be grateful if you would refer to me as Tom. It's difficult for me to know if you are talking to me or a cat.
Komfort June 17, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Ross just got served!
Kevin George June 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Yup, that's me .....always trying to suck up to doug(sic).
Doug Curlee June 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm
yeah, kevin.. been meaning to talk to ypou abou that sucking up stuff..
you really don't need to do that so much..:-) doug
Ross Salinger June 18, 2012 at 01:21 pm
"And Europe is doing great" -- completely off my point. My point is that TIL claims that Europe isn't spending "enough". I showed that it wasn't true. I don't think that the spending by European governments represents best practice and the problems there, just as here, stem from governments trying to spend too much money on promises they make that they cannot keep.
Keynes, if you bother to actually read his writing, thought that balancing a budget in the face of a collapse in aggregate demand was a bad idea. Every time that this has been tried as a policy it has failed. If you want to claim that correlation is not causation, that's reasonable, but I'd rather go with policies that have some correlation with results than what Romney proposes which have no correlation with results. Better an idea that might work rather than one which has failed time and time again. I think that we actually both agree that we need to cut entitlement spending and not raise taxes. To me this can easily be done by simply reforming the tax code and getting rid of every single preference item and letting the market dictate how people choose to spend their money. That's not the same thing at all as basing your economic plan on reducing taxes for rich people or claiming that you can generate trillions of economic benefits by eliminating unnecessary regulation. Not at all.
Things I Learned June 18, 2012 at 01:25 pm
"Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who misunderstand you."
Komfort June 18, 2012 at 01:29 pm
Necessary regulation:
http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=296737
Jennifer Spencer June 19, 2012 at 08:49 pm
Want to know why Americans, especially the conservative ones, keep voting against themselves and are having difficulty seeing how the current administration has improved our economic lot (stopped a Depression) over the past three years?
An article came out recently: Beyond the Big Lie: The Education Deficit and the New Authoritarianism_Henry A. Giroux, Truthout: "The American public is suffering from an education deficit. By this I mean it exhibits a growing inability to think critically, question authority, be reflective, weigh evidence, discriminate between reasoned arguments and opinions, listen across differences and engage the mutually informing relationship between private problems and broader public issues. This growing political and cultural illiteracy is not merely a problem of the individual, one that points to simple ignorance. It is a collective and social problem that goes to the heart of the increasing attack on democratic public spheres and supportive public institutions that promote analytical capacities, thoughtful exchange and a willingness to view knowledge as a resource for informed modes of individual and social agency. One of the major consequences of the current education deficit and the pervasive culture of illiteracy that sustains it is what I call the ideology of the big lie - which propagates the myth that the free-market system is the only mechanism to ensure human freedom and safeguard democracy."

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