Gov. Brown Launches Website on Dangers, Deniers of Climate Change

The website says a small group of “deniers” continues to distort the facts about climate change.

California Gov. Jerry Brown has launched a new website that addresses climate change and labels critics of the existence and cause of climate change as “deniers.”

The website appears on the governor’s Office of Planning and Research’s website and is titled “Climate Change Just the Facts.” According to a press release from Brown’s office, the site “documents the dangerous effects of global warming and calls on those who still deny its existence to ‘wake up and honestly face the facts.’ ”

The website was launched as the annual Lake Tahoe summit was held this week.

“Global warming’s impact on Lake Tahoe is well documented. It is just one example of how, after decades of pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return,” Brown said in the press release. “Those who still deny global warming’s existence should wake up and honestly face the facts.”

The website links to four pages addressing issues related to climate change:

The Climate Science

The Scientific Consensus

The Deniers

Common Denier Arguments

The website says the scientific community has concluded that the burning of fossil fuels by humans has emitted enough greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere to cause climate change.

A “small but vocal group” of “deniers” has been successful in spreading enough misinformation about the science behind climate change that only 51 percent of Americans are concerned about climate change, according to the website.

What do you think about this website and the use of the word, "deniers?" Tell us in comments.

Donald Sonck August 20, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Sure thing, Moonbeam; we believe ya! Just like we need high-speed rail, the California DREAM Act, drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, etc. Please explain to me how man impacted the dinosaurs becoming extinct; the Sahara Desert once being an ocean; the glaciers melting away from the Midwest states; and the erosion of the landscape which created the Grand Canyon? Want me to go on? Man-made global warming is a farce, just like Jerry Brown!
Michael Tobis August 20, 2012 at 07:10 PM
I fully agree that “Those who still deny global warming’s existence should wake up and honestly face the facts.” However, I find the actual effort by Governor Brown's team on the whole hopelessly shallow, and the page on deniers flatly counterproductive. Some discussion of this is at my article at http://planet3.org/2012/08/19/the-state-of-california-vs-denialism/
klem August 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Donald! Jeeze, don't bring up topics like the dinosaurs or Sahara Desert, it confuses the greenies. They don't know about science, they're mostly arts majors. klem
Donald Sonck August 21, 2012 at 05:16 PM
Michael, I am a believer in climate change. There is no denying it just based on the few examples I previously noted. However, I do NOT believe that man can accellerate and/or impact change in the weather/temperature/climate in any way, shape or form. That claim is bogus and there is no irrefutable proof of it. Proponents of man-caused global warming are using such small samples of empirical data vs. the lifetime of our planet that their findings cannot possibly be relevant. Their motives are nothing more than money and ego driven. Look no further for examples in support of my claim than Governor Brown, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Al Gore. How can these three idiots possibly have any credibility on this subject?
Michael Tobis August 21, 2012 at 06:11 PM
Hmm. Begging the question, much? Your basis for rejecting the claims is that Gore and Brown make the claims, and your basis for rejecting Gore and Brown is that the claims are obviously bogus. You know, I don't really know where to start with that argument. Try this. Every major science-producing country has a National Academy which is an assembly of their most renowned scientists in all fields. And every major National Academy signed on to this document: http://www.nationalacademies.org/includes/G8+5energy-climate09.pdf I am guessing that this won't convince you somehow, but I don't know how much more credibility you could ask for.
Donald Sonck August 21, 2012 at 07:00 PM
The main basis in support of my claim is that no scientist anywhere can assemble climate data gathered over the past couple of hundred years, compare it to the past hundeds of millions of years of climate change experienced by our planet, and make a case that man is causing global warming/climate change. How can anyone make a plausible case with such a fraction of data? There are just as many "national acadamies" of scientists who refute global warming as there are those who are believers. I respect your opinion and your data; I just don't think it's credible in the overall historical evidence of the climate change in which man was not in existence. And the three goofs I mentioned previously are nothing but political narcissists who are grabbing on to this issue for self-aggrandizement purposes and the money to be derived from speaking engagements.
Michael Tobis August 21, 2012 at 07:07 PM
1) No, there is only one national academy per country, and the list includes the 13 biggest science-producing countries. 2) There is a strong theoretical physical reason to be concerned about the warming which greatly predates any actual measured warming. The first publication about it was in 1898, and the warming didn't really start until 1970. 3) We know a great deal about past climate, the same way we know other geological facts. It's complicated. One important fact is that periods with high CO2 were ice free. And if we enter an ice free period with half the population on the coastline, that alone is a huge problem. 4) It is illogical to suggest that because climate was changed in the absence of humans that humans cannot change climate. Mountains fell before there were humans, but humans can take down mountains. Lakes formed before there were humans, but humans can make lakes. 5) I don't care especially which politicians you like or don't like. I do care how I can get you to take the scientific community seriously. But I guess your mind is made up.
Donald Sonck August 21, 2012 at 08:39 PM
You just helped me make my case, Michael. Point # 1: So what if these are "national academies"? I can forward you links to dozens of scientists and think tanks that refute man-made global warming. #2: "strong theoretical evidence"? Anyone can "theorize" based on how he/she wants to twist the evidence. There is also "strong theoretical evidence" of the existence of Atlantis, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster.....but where's the REAL, irrefutable proof? 3. "It's complicated". Agreed, which is why all of the global warming alarmists cannot possibly be so certain that man is causing the current alleged warming. 4. "Humans can take down mountains.......humans can make lakes." Yes indeed; with technology and within a couple of years; there's no evidence man can do so over a couple of centuries by means of green house gas emissions. 5. Yes, my mind is made up....but I enjoy a good-natured debate! And we should do all we possibly can to reduce pollution and promote re-cycling, but not at the expense of job creation, curtailing economic growth/innovation, and causing unnecssary alarm to the populace.
Michael Tobis August 21, 2012 at 09:06 PM
In short 1) you don't believe that scientists can recognize the best scientists among them 2) you don't believe that science even works 3) you don't believe empirical evidence you don't like 4) you don't believe "there's any evidence" of something where there are thousands of pages of evidence and 5) there really is really no way to convince you of anything at all. So what, exactly, is the point of a "good-natured debate"?
klem August 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM
Donald is correct. The earth’s climate changes whether humans exist or not, it has always changed, it changes today and will continue to change. The data supporting human causation is derived from proxy research, in other words, temperature data derived from tree rings and swamp sludge, hardly reliable and not accurate. But yet, researchers claim to get earth’s temperature measured down to the tenths of a degree, using tree rings, ha! In truth, true global temperature measurements only go back to 1979, with the use of satellites. When it comes down to it, all the alarmists really have is a correlation, between temperature and CO2. That’s it, everything else is fluff. My question is, how long must climate alarmists observe normal climate variability before they will finally get the backbone to admit they have been observing normal climate variability?
klem August 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM
I don't know, this looks like a good natured debate to me; You are a believer in the climate alarmist faith, he is a climate alarmist heretic. There is no way you are going to convert him to your faith, and there is no way he’s going to break you away from climate alarmism. You have to do that on your own, as many of us already have. cheers
Michael Tobis August 23, 2012 at 09:18 PM
I'm actually a scientist. I've been thinking about climate full time for twenty years. I see no "debate" here, just a refusal to look at the evidence, like the bishops who refused to look through Galileo's telescope. The argument is "if you ignore all the evidence, there is no evidence". That is true, but it doesn't prove anything at all. Not about whether greenhosue gas emissions are bad, but not about if they are OK. You are choosing blindness. "Debate" in science is not like debate in politics. You don't line up on opposite sides and argue with each other. You change sides. You try really hard to see things from the other person's point of view. But in newspaper discussions like this, you see people trying very hard NOT to see the other person's point of view. I ask you what your evidence is, and you tell me I don't have any. But you have no idea what evidence I have. None whatsoever, and more to the point, you show no sign of caring. I guess we have to disagree on who is being dogmatic here.


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